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Thusoands of Muslims Attempt Again to Attack Copts during Prayers

A riot broke out over plans to convert a building in a Cairo suburb into a Christian church on Sunday.

Muslims and Christians clashed in Mataria after worshippers arrived for a service at the site of the planned church.

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Clash: Protesters fought with riot police in Cairo over plans to convert a building into a Christian church

One man died in Aswan on the same day during a separate riot over the police killing of a suspected criminal. It is believed he died after inhaling tear gas.  

Police in Mataria intervened when large numbers of Muslims and Christians faced off over a building which the Christians want to convert into a church. The police then clashed mainly with the Muslim side, they said.

In Aswan, about 450 miles to the south, riot police used tear gas against civilians protesting that a policeman shot dead a man in the town on Saturday.

Police said the man was a wanted criminal but the man’s relatives said a police officer killed him in

error and then the police tried to cover up the incident, the sources said.

Thousands of people attended the funeral on Sunday, some chanting: ‘Illegitimate  government, unjust government.’

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Riot police intervened when large numbers of Muslims and Christians faced off outside the building

In both cases people threw stones and bottles at the police. Two of the policemen were injured in Aswan and two in Cairo, and the protesters damaged shop fronts in both places, they said.

In the incident in Mataria, the confrontation between Muslims and Christians was the culmination of a long-running dispute over the plan to build a church there.

Residents said Christians had come from other parts of the city for the Sunday service at the building, which is not licensed as a church, and Muslims opposed to a church gathered against them. Some chanted: ‘We’re going to knock down the church’ and shouted slogans of loyalty to Islam, witnesses said.

Relations between Egyptian Muslims and the Christian minority, estimated at up to 10 per cent of the population, are usually peaceful, but unrest breaks out from time to time over new churches, conversions and inter-confessional marriages.

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Police claim they mainly clashed with the Muslim protesters

A national newspaper on 23/11/2008 M. year 2448 the number 50, entitled News [neighborhood destroys building for the elderly and orphans Bkenj Maruit] Alexandrina - emerged and Joseph Abu al-Kheir Owners:

تعرض‏ ‏مبني‏ ‏الخدمات‏ ‏التابع‏ ‏لكنيسة‏ ‏القديس‏ ‏أبو‏ ‏سيفين‏ ‏بكنج‏ ‏مريوط‏ ‏الخميس‏ ‏الماضي‏ ‏لهجوم‏ ‏من‏ ‏قبل‏ ‏قوات‏ ‏الأمن‏ ‏المركزي‏ ‏ومسئولي‏ ‏حي‏ ‏العامرية‏ ‏حيث‏ ‏قاموا‏ ‏بمحاصرة‏ ‏المكان‏ ‏وغلق‏ ‏الشوارع‏ ‏المؤدية‏ ‏إليه‏,‏وانطلقوا‏ ‏في‏ ‏هدم‏ ‏السور‏ ‏الخارجي‏ ‏والبوابتين‏ ‏للمبني‏ ‏وتحطيم‏ ‏كافة‏ ‏النوافذ‏ ‏والبلكونات‏ ‏والحوائط‏ ‏ومظلة‏ ‏كبيرة‏ ‏تحمي‏ ‏المسنين‏ ‏من‏ ‏البرد‏ ‏والشمس‏,‏وكذلك‏ ‏أثاث‏ ‏المبني‏ ‏من‏ ‏سراير‏ ‏ودواليب‏ ‏وتمزيق‏ ‏المراتب‏ ‏والمخدات‏,‏كما‏ ‏تم‏ ‏تحطيم‏ ‏المطعم‏ ‏وحجرة‏ ‏خلع‏ ‏الملابس‏.‏ويتكون‏ ‏المبني‏ ‏من‏ ‏دور‏ ‏أرضي‏ ‏وطابقين‏,‏وبلغت‏ ‏تكلفة‏ ‏إنشائه‏ ‏ستة‏ ‏ملايين‏ ‏جنيه‏ ‏ويستخدم‏ ‏كدار‏ ‏للمسنين‏ ‏والأيتام‏ ‏والأرامل‏.‏ Was based services of the Church of St. Abu Seven Bkenj Maruit attacked last Thursday by security forces Central officials Amiriya district, where they surrounded the place and close the streets leading to it, and set off on the demolition of the wall The outer gates of the building and smashed all the windows and walls and Balconies and a large umbrella to protect the elderly from the cold and the sun, as well as furniture Building of the linen cabinets and tearing mattresses, pillows, and the restaurant were smashed and the dressing room. The building The role of ground-story, and its inception at a cost of six million pounds are used Kdar for the elderly, orphans and widows.
يذكر‏ ‏أن‏ ‏مساحة‏ ‏الأرض‏ ‏تبلغ‏ 6300‏م‏ ‏متر‏ ‏مربع‏,‏قام‏ ‏بشرائها‏ ‏بديع‏ ‏شنودة‏ ‏عام‏2001 ‏من‏ ‏شركة‏ ‏مريوط‏,‏وحصل‏ ‏علي‏ ‏ترخيص‏ ‏مباني‏,‏ثم‏ ‏قامت‏ ‏كنيسة‏ ‏أبو‏ ‏سيفين‏ ‏بشراء‏ ‏الأرض‏ ‏وما‏ ‏تحمله‏ ‏من‏ ‏ترخيص‏ ‏مباني‏ ‏رقم‏11569 ‏لسنة‏2007,‏وذلك‏ ‏بعلم‏ ‏أمن‏ ‏الدولة‏ ‏حيث‏ ‏تقابل‏ ‏كاهن‏ ‏الكنيسة‏ ‏مع‏ ‏ضابط‏ ‏أمن‏ ‏الدولة‏ ‏المسئول‏ ‏بالعامرية‏ ‏واطلعه‏ ‏علي‏ ‏كافة‏ ‏الأوراق‏ ‏والمستندات‏ ‏والرسومات‏ ‏ولم‏ ‏يبد‏ ‏معارضة‏ ‏خاصة‏ ‏أن‏ ‏المبني‏ ‏مخصص‏ ‏كدار‏ ‏للمسنين‏ ‏والأيتام‏ ‏ولا‏ ‏يشير‏ ‏إلي‏ ‏بناء‏ ‏كنيسة‏.‏ The land area of 6300 square meters, the Badi Shenouda purchased in 2001 from Maruit , Obtained a license buildings, then the Church of Abu Seven bought the land and buildings in respect of licensing No. 11569 of 2007, and the knowledge of State Security, where he met the priest with the church security officer in charge of State LAID And briefed him on all papers and documents and drawings did not appear especially as the opposition is based Kdar for the elderly and orphans Does not refer to build a church.
وكان‏ ‏قرار‏ ‏إزالة‏ ‏خاطئ‏ ‏قد‏ ‏صدر‏ ‏بتاريخ‏ 10‏فبراير‏2008 ‏برقم‏115 ‏وردت‏ ‏عليه‏ ‏الكنيسة‏ ‏بمحضر‏ ‏رسمي‏ ‏أفادت‏ ‏فيه‏ ‏أن‏ ‏الأرض‏ ‏والمباني‏ ‏في‏ ‏ملكيتها‏ ‏ومرخص‏ ‏بها‏ ‏كما‏ ‏قامت‏ ‏الكنيسة‏ ‏بالطعن‏ ‏علي‏ ‏قرار‏ ‏الإزالة‏ ‏أمام‏ ‏القضاء‏ ‏الإداري‏ ‏بتاريخ‏2008/3/25 ‏وتم‏ ‏حجز‏ ‏القضية‏ ‏للحكم‏ ‏يوم‏2008/11/29 ‏إلا‏ ‏أن‏ ‏مسئولي‏ ‏الحي‏ ‏لم‏ ‏ينتظروا‏ ‏صدور‏ ‏حكم‏ ‏المحكمة‏ ‏وقاموا‏ ‏بعملية‏ ‏الهدم‏.‏ The decision to remove the misconception had been issued on February 10, 2008 No. 115 received by church officials reported a record That the land and buildings owned and licensed by the Church as the removal decision on the appeal before the Administrative Judiciary 2008/3/25 been booked on the issue of governance on 2008/11/29 but officials did not wait for the district Court's ruling and had carried out the demolition.
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جريدة البديل 22/11/2008 م عن خبر بعنوان [ وفد كنسي يزور دار رعاية المسنين التابعة لكنيسة أبوسيفين بالإسكندرية لتقدير خسائر الهدم ] 22/11/2008 alternative newspaper the News entitled m [church delegation to visit the elderly care home of the Church of Alexandria Obuseven to estimate the losses demolition]
«الكلمة لحقوق الإنسان» يندد بقرار المحافظ.. «Call for Human Rights» condemns the decision of the governor .. وسكرتير المجلس الملي بالإسكندرية: الهدم اعتداء علي الشرعية And secretary of the National Assembly in Alexandria: Encroachment on the legality of demolition
الإسكندرية: أحمد صبري Alexandria: Ahmed Sabri
انتقدت قيادات كنسية قرار محافظ الإسكندرية هدم مبني مخصص لرعاية الأيتام والمسنين تابع لكنيسة أبوسيفين، وزار وفد من الكنيسة برئاسة الأنبا شاروبيم الباخومي، وكيل البابا شنودة، المبني لفحص التلفيات والخسائر الناتجة عن الهدم، وندد بيان صادر عن مركز الكلمة لحقوق الإنسان بقرار الهدم، معتبرًا إياه اعتداءً صارخًا علي حقوق الإنسان، وشبه جوزيف ملاك اللواء عادل لبيب محافظ الإسكندرية بـ«نيرون الإسكندرية الجديد». Church leaders criticized the decision of the Governor of Alexandria, demolition of a building dedicated to caring for orphans and the elderly continued to Obuseven Church, the delegation visited the church, headed by Anba Harobim Albachomi, Under-Pope Shenouda, the building to examine the damage and losses resulting from the demolition, condemned the statement issued by the Center for Human Rights demolition decision regarding it, A blatant aggression on human rights, and semi-owners Joseph Major General Adel Labib, Governor of Alexandria b «new Nero Alexandria».
وقال كميل صديق، سكرتير المجلس الملي بالإسكندرية لـ«البديل»: «لا أفهم سر هدم مبني صادر له ترخيص قانوني، كما أنني أضع علامات استفهام كثيرة حول توقيت تنفيذ قرار المحافظ بالهدم، حيث جاء قبل أسبوع واحد من حجز دعوي عاجلة رفعناها أمام القضاء الإداري لإلغاء قرار الهدم المفاجئ، بسبب حصول كنيسة أبوسيفين علي ترخيص بالبناء، وبالتالي فلا يوجد مبرر لقرار الهدم الذي صدر بحجة عدم وجود ترخيص». Camille said a friend, secretary of the National Assembly of Alexandria «alternative»: «do not understand the reason behind the demolition of a building permit is legal, and I put many question marks about the timing of implementation of the decision of the governor demolition, which came one week prior to booking a lawsuit, filed an urgent court case to the Administrative Court For the sudden cancellation of the demolition, due to a church building Obuseven license, and therefore there is no justification for the demolition, which was the pretext of having no license ».
وأضاف صديق: «السبب واضح في التعجل بالهدم، لأن أجهزة المحافظة تدرك تمامًا أن القضية محسومة لصالح الكنيسة، وبالتالي يريدون تنفيذ الهدم وإذا صدر الحكم يكون لا مجال لإعمال أحكام القضاء»، وانتقد صديق عدم احترام محافظة الإسكندرية أحكام القضاء، ووصف قرار الهدم بأنه اعتداء علي الشرعية وتعسف في استعمال السلطة، وأبدي اندهاشه من التشفي والانتقام - علي حد تعبيره - الذي شاب أداء رجال الأجهزة التنفيذية أثناء تنفيذ أعمال الهدم، وهو ما يوضح التعليمات الصارمة الصادرة لهم بالإزالة The friend added: «clear why rush demolition, because the organs of fully aware that the case is settled for the church, and therefore want to implement the demolition and if a government is no room for the implementation of court rulings», a friend and criticized the lack of respect for judicial rulings Alexandria governorate, described the demolition as an assault On the legality and abuse of power, was surprised by revenge and retaliation - as he put it - that marred the performance of the executive officers during the implementation of the demolition, which explains the strict instructions of their elimination

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‏وطنى 7/12/2008م السنة 50 العدد 3450 عن خبر بعنوان [ قراءة‏ ‏في‏ ‏ملف‏ ‏الأمور‏ ‏المسكوت‏ ‏عنها‏-(226)‏ الجريمة‏:‏مبني‏ ‏خدمات‏ ‏تابع‏ ‏لكنيسة‏!!‏ ] بقلم يوسف سيدهم 7/12/2008 M. national year 3450 the number 50, entitled News [read the file is silent about - (226) Crime: based services continued Church!!] By Youssef Sidhom

‏حدث‏ ‏الشهر‏ ‏الماضي‏ ‏في‏ ‏موقع‏ ‏مبني‏ ‏خدمات‏ ‏بمنطقة‏ ‏كنج‏ ‏مريوط‏ ‏تابع‏ ‏لكنيسة‏ ‏أبي‏ ‏سيفين‏ ‏بأمبروزو‏ ‏بالإسكندرية‏...‏المبني‏ ‏بعيد‏ ‏جدا‏ ‏عن‏ ‏الكنيسة‏ ‏ويستخدم‏ ‏دارا‏ ‏لإيواء‏ ‏المسنين‏ ‏والأرامل‏ ‏والأيتام‏,‏اشترت‏ ‏الكنيسة‏ ‏الأرض‏ ‏من‏ ‏مالكها‏ ‏الأصلي‏ ‏رسميا‏ ‏وانتقلت‏ ‏إليها‏ ‏الملكية‏,‏كما‏ ‏أقامت‏ ‏المبني‏ ‏الذي‏ ‏عليها‏ ‏بموجب‏ ‏ترخيص‏ ‏مباني‏ ‏رقم‏11569‏لسنة‏2007,‏ورغم‏ ‏علم‏ ‏كافة‏ ‏المسئولين‏ ‏بانتقال‏ ‏الملكية‏ ‏إلي‏ ‏الكنيسة‏,‏وبأن‏ ‏المبني‏ ‏المقام‏ ‏علي‏ ‏الأرض‏ ‏يستعمل‏ ‏دارا‏ ‏للمسنين‏ ‏والأرامل‏ ‏والأيتام‏,‏إلا‏ ‏أن‏ ‏قرارا‏ ‏صدر‏ ‏عن‏ ‏حي‏ ‏العامرية‏ ‏برقم‏115‏بتاريخ‏2008/2/10 ‏بإزالة‏, ‏المبني‏!!!....‏ولم‏ ‏يعرف‏ ‏القائمون‏ ‏علي‏ ‏الكنيسة‏ ‏مالكة‏ ‏الأرض‏ ‏والمبني‏ ‏سببا‏ ‏لقرار‏ ‏الإزالة‏ ‏فتقدموا‏ ‏بالطعن‏ ‏في‏ ‏القرار‏ ‏أمام‏ ‏محكمة‏ ‏القضاء‏ ‏الإداري‏ ‏بالإسكندرية‏ ‏بتاريخ‏2008/3/25,‏وتم‏ ‏نظر‏ ‏النطق‏ ‏حتي‏ ‏تحددت‏ ‏جلسة‏ ‏الطعن‏ ‏بالحكم‏ ‏بتاريخ‏2008/11/29, ‏وقضت‏ ‏المحكمة‏ ‏بوقف‏ ‏قرار‏ ‏الإزالة‏ ‏الصادر‏ ‏من‏ ‏حي‏ ‏العامرية‏.‏ Happened last month in the region based services continued Maruit King of the Church of Alexandria Abu Seven Bombrozo .. . The building is very far from the church and used homes to house the elderly, widows and orphans, the church bought the land from its owner Original officially moved to the property, which has also built under license premises No. 11569 of 2007, Although aware of all the official transfer of ownership to the church, and that is based primarily on the ground used homes for the elderly, widows And orphans, but that a decision issued by the Amiriya district, number 115 on the elimination of 2008/2/10, based !!!.. .. It was not known authors on the church-based owner of the land and grounds for removal Vtqdmoa appeal against the decision Administrative Judiciary Court in Alexandria on 2008/3/25 been considered delivered until the appeal hearing set on Governing 2008 / 11/29, the court ruled that the decision of removal from the district of Amiriya.
إلي‏ ‏هنا‏ ‏والأمر‏ ‏طبيعي‏ ‏ويجب‏ ‏أن‏ ‏يسعد‏ ‏القائمون‏ ‏علي‏ ‏الكنيسة‏ ‏والمبني‏ ‏بالحكم‏ ‏الذي‏ ‏رسخ‏ ‏حقهم‏ ‏في‏ ‏الملكية‏ ‏وفي‏ ‏مبني‏ ‏الخدمات‏,‏لكن‏ ‏ما‏ ‏لايعرفه‏ ‏القراء‏ ‏أن‏ ‏وقت‏ ‏نطق‏ ‏محكمة‏ ‏القضاء‏ ‏الإداري‏ ‏بالحكم‏ ‏كان‏ ‏بعد‏ ‏تسعة‏ ‏أيام‏ ‏من‏ ‏انقضاض‏ ‏مسئولي‏ ‏حي‏ ‏العامرية‏ ‏علي‏ ‏المبني‏ ‏مستعينين‏ ‏بالقوات‏ ‏والمعدات‏ ‏وإغلاقهم‏ ‏الشوارع‏ ‏المؤدية‏ ‏إليه‏ ‏وتدميره‏ ‏تماما‏ ‏بدعوة‏ ‏تنفيذ‏ ‏قرار‏ ‏الإزالة‏,‏وبالرغم‏ ‏من‏ ‏إخطارهم‏ ‏رسميا‏ ‏بأن‏ ‏الأمر‏ ‏منظور‏ ‏أمام‏ ‏القضاء‏ ‏وتحددت‏ ‏جلسة‏ ‏الحكم‏ ‏فيه‏!!!...‏سارعت‏ ‏أجهزة‏ ‏حي‏ ‏العامرية‏ ‏بكل‏ ‏إصرار‏ ‏وترصد‏ ‏بهدم‏ ‏المبني‏ ‏ولسان‏ ‏حالها‏ ‏يقول‏:‏الهدم‏ ‏أولا‏ ‏لئلا‏ ‏يحكم‏ ‏القضاء‏ ‏بغير‏ ‏ذلك‏,‏وقامت‏ ‏بهدم‏ ‏السور‏ ‏المحيط‏ ‏بالأرض‏ ‏وتحطيم‏ ‏البوابتين‏ ‏المثبتتين‏ ‏به‏,‏ثم‏ ‏قامت‏ ‏باقتحام‏ ‏المبني‏ ‏وتحطيم‏ ‏الأبواب‏ ‏والشبابيك‏ ‏ودرابزينات‏ ‏البلكونات‏ ‏والحوائط‏,‏وبعد‏ ‏ذلك‏ ‏وإمعانا‏ ‏في‏ ‏الإتلاف‏ ‏قامت‏ ‏بتحطيم‏ ‏الأثاث‏ ‏بمطعم‏ ‏المبني‏ ‏ومرافقه‏!!!‏ To here and it is natural and should be happy authors to the church building, governance, which is deeply entrenched in their property In building services, but what Aiarafh readers that the time for pronunciation Court Rules Governing the following Nine days of the onslaught of Amiriya district officials based on using troops and equipment and Iglagahm streets leading to it and destroy Fully implement the decision of the invitation clearance, despite the formal notice that it was before the courts and a meeting set Government agencies quickly !!!... the Amiriya district, and monitor all the determination to demolish the building and the San say the same: demolition First convicted so otherwise, has demolished the fence surrounding the land and break the gates of the Almthbttin, and then The storm the building and smashed doors and windows and walls and Drabzenat Balconies, after indulging in destruction and the destruction of Furniture and facilities-based restaurant!!!
وقف‏ ‏المسئولون‏ ‏عن‏ ‏المبني‏ ‏يرقبون‏ ‏كل‏ ‏ذلك‏ ‏ويعجزون‏ ‏عن‏ ‏منعه‏ ‏ويتساءلون‏ ‏عن‏ ‏معايير‏ ‏المساواة‏ ‏والعدالة‏ ‏والمواطنة‏ ‏التي‏ ‏تطل‏ ‏عليهم‏ ‏من‏ ‏الدستور‏ ‏ويتشدق‏ ‏بها‏ ‏الجميع‏,‏وكتموا‏ ‏حسرتهم‏ ‏وحنقهم‏ ‏حتي‏ ‏كان‏ ‏صباح‏ 29‏نوفمبر‏ ‏الماضي‏ ‏وصدور‏ ‏حكم‏ ‏محكمة‏ ‏القضاء‏ ‏الإداري‏ ‏بوقف‏ ‏قرار‏ ‏الإزالة‏,‏فأصبح‏ ‏التساؤل‏:‏من‏ ‏المسئول‏ ‏عن‏ ‏تدمير‏ ‏المبني‏ ‏دون‏ ‏انتظار‏ ‏حكم‏ ‏المحكمة؟ومن‏ ‏يعوضهم‏ ‏عن‏ ‏الخسائر‏ ‏المادية‏ ‏التي‏ ‏لحقت‏ ‏بهم‏ ‏والخسائر‏ ‏الأدبية‏ ‏والنفسية‏ ‏التي‏ ‏تفوقها؟أما‏ ‏من‏ ‏مساءلة‏ ‏وحساب‏ ‏وعقاب‏ ‏لأولئك‏ ‏الذين‏ ‏استباحوا‏ ‏أن‏ ‏ينتهكوا‏ ‏كل‏ ‏الأعراف؟‏...‏أما‏ ‏من‏ ‏قرار‏ ‏سيادي‏ ‏يصدر‏ ‏بإعادة‏ ‏بناء‏ ‏المبني‏ ‏الذي‏ ‏تم‏ ‏هدمه‏ ‏ظلما‏ ‏واندفاعا‏ ‏علي‏ ‏نفقة‏ ‏الدولة؟‏...‏أما‏ ‏من‏ ‏تصرف‏ ‏رسمي‏ ‏يرد‏ ‏اعتبار‏ ‏مبني‏ ‏خدمات‏ ‏جريمته‏ ‏الوحيدة‏ ‏أنه‏ ‏تابع‏ ‏لكنيسة‏!!!‏آرايتم‏ ‏مقدار‏ ‏الهوان‏ ‏والتسيب‏ ‏الذي‏ ‏وصلنا‏ ‏إليه‏ ‏في‏ ‏عصر‏ ‏تتصدر‏ ‏فيهالمواطنةمواد‏ ‏الدستور؟ Stop watch in charge of building all this and unable to prevent it and question the criteria of equality, justice and citizenship Overlooking them of the Constitution and the stronghold of the everyone, and outrage Ktamoa bemoan until the morning of Nov. 29 was the past and the A court decision to the Administrative Court to stop removal, bringing the question: Who is responsible for the destruction of the building without waiting for Court ruling? And compensate for material losses suffered losses and the moral and psychological superiority? In The expense of accountability and punishment to those who have profaned that violate all norms? ... The sovereign decision of a re - Construction of the building which was destroyed by a rush to injustice and the state's expense? ... In official action is Be based services whose only crime was belonging to the Church!!! Do you see the amount of humiliation and abandonment that we are in The era of top Vihalmoatnpmwad Constitution?

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Middle East Times
27 November 2008
 
"The cause behind the recurring attacks in the issue of building churches is the regime and I blame the government before extremists for not solving the problem," said Naguib Gobrail, a Coptic lawyer in Cairo.

 
SITTING ON THEIR BILL -- A unified building law for religious groups would end violence over the locations of new churches, but the bill has been stalled in parliament for 15 years, says a lawyer representing Copts. The photo shows Gamal Mubarak (lower-center), a Muslim and son of Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak, attending Coptic Christmas eve mass held at St. Mark's Cathedral in Cairo in Jan. 6 2008. (Sipa Press via Newscom)

CAIRO -- Fears of growing sectarianism in Egypt were again realized this week after clashes between Christians and Muslims saw at least eight people arrested in the Ain Shams neighborhood of Cairo. Coptic Pope Shenouda III called for calm after the violence on Sunday sparked concerns that sectarianism in Egypt is gaining steam.

The incident occurred Sunday after a group of Muslim demonstrators took to the street in front of an area converted by Christians into a prayer hall. According to reports, rock throwing and the burning of two cars ensued after Christians and the Muslim protesters began to fight.

Police entered the fray and ended the violence before it spiraled out of control. But, not before religious leaders and activists began to worry that this is the beginning of more religious-based conflicts in the country that has long boasted of its religious tolerance.

The pope banned Christians from praying in the state-owned building in Cairo after the incident and "has ordered a cessation to prayers in the building belonging to the Church of [the] Virgin Mary … after confrontations between the worshippers and some of the neighborhood's residents in front of the building," Egypt's state-owned MENA news agency quoted a papal spokesman as saying.

The building in question was a former factory that had been abandoned. The church had bought the property for the prayer hall, which lies almost directly across the street from a mosque, which sparked anger among the Muslim residents.

"The cause behind the recurring attacks in the issue of building churches is the regime and I blame the government before extremists for not solving the problem," said Naguib Gobrail, a Coptic lawyer in Cairo.

Permission for churches is controversial in Egypt, where by law the president must give final say in the use of a certain space for religious purposes. Rights groups argue that because the president delegates authority in the matter to local officials, Copts have been forced to use illegal places for worship.

Many activists and rights groups have called on the government to install a unified building law for religious groups in order to end these spates of violence, but Cairo is dragging its feet, argued Gobrail.

"The unified religious building law has been stalled for over 15 years in parliament. Three parliamentary terms and nothing has happened," the lawyer said.

Many Muslims argue that it is not the idea of having Christian places of worship that bothers them, it is the manner and place where they are established. Mona, a 62-year-old mother, asked why a church is being built directly in front of a mosque.

"What is the point of that? They [Christians] know that it will create tensions among the population and this sort of in-your-face religion needs to end," she argued.

George Ishaq, a Kefaya (Enough) opposition leader and prominent Copt, said that there are a number of solutions to the ongoing problems facing the country's religious groups.

He told Middle East Times that whenever he meets a group of Copts he tells them to stop complaining about the discrimination they receive at the hands of the government and "start to move." This, Ishaq argued, is the means of creating a society that will breathe life into the stale religious dialogue that is persisting in Egypt.

"Copts and Christians need to get out there and make the country a part of their life. They cannot live separate from society like what happens in Lebanon, because that leads to tension and violence. To say that Copts are the only people under threat is to avoid the truth," he said.

"We live in a country where the government doesn't give anyone their rights, so people need to be realistic," said Ishaq.

Hossam Bahgat, the director of the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights, agrees with Ishaq on one level, but says that the systemic avoidance of these issues by the government is allowing for the continued role of politics and religion to play out in a violent manner.

"Certainly, the media does exaggerate some of the instances, but the facts on the ground show that there is a real problem that is going on and because the government did nothing in the 1970s and 1980s it has allowed the conservativeness of Saudi-style Islam to take hold in Egypt," he said. "People feel threatened for whatever reason and religion gives them a reason to take their frustrations out on the other group."

Whatever the causes for the increase in violence, Bahgat and Ishaq agree on at least one thing: that the government must move quickly to begin to stem the flow of violence that is based on sectarianism.

"The government must act, but everyone must understand that this will not solve the situation quickly; it will take time and Egyptians must be willing to make the first move if the country will move forward," Bahgat says.

Coptics from across the nation and several countries convened outside the White House on Wednesday to protest the violence against Egyptian Christians.

WASHINGTON – Coptics from across the nation and several countries convened outside the White House on Wednesday to protest the violence against Egyptian Coptics that recently flared following knife attacks over the weekend.

Holding signs that read “Stop Burning the Churches in Egypt,” “Justice for Christians in Egypt,” “Stop Persecution of Christians in Egypt,” and “Why Copts are Considered Second Class Citizens in Egypt,” protestors circled in front of the White House as the leaders of the National American Coptic Assembly explained to onlookers the reason for the demonstration.

“There was an accident that happened about three to four days ago where some extreme Muslims started walking into the churches and stabbing the worshippers on Sunday,” said NACA’s Ehab Shafik, who spoke on behalf of the protestors as they marched.

“This has been going on for hundreds of years and the Christians have been struggling, trying to keep a peaceful and moderate co-habitation with the Muslims – our brothers,” Shafik continued. “We love the Muslims and we have not had any problems, but our rights are taken away and we cannot worship freely. That is why you see so many people mobilizing now. That is why we just want to peacefully voice our demands.”

The spokesman called the disagreement a “peaceful” one that requests for the U.S. government and the Bush administration to start to put the right amount of pressure and using the United Nation pressure to start voicing the right for Christians who live in Egypt.

Similar calls had emerged from the international Christian community earlier this week, asking for an end to the escalating violence against Christians in Egypt and an end to the “oppressive actions of the Egyptian government against its minority Christians.”

In a public statement issued Monday, the International Christian Union (ICU) said it was seeking help from the U.S. government to intervene, as the Egyptian government is the second largest recipient of U.S. aid.

“We also call upon the Egyptian government to put an end to the discrimination Copts suffer in all walks of life and to put an end to the media’s incitement against Christianity,” said Bishop Antony, the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate in Ireland, Scotland, N.E. England and Affiliated regions, in the statement.

The bishop said that latest attacks of churches in Alexandria is yet another incident of the Coptic persecution in Egypt, which has “reduced the Coptic population to second class citizens.”

Morris Sadek, NACA’s president, also said that the recent violence was only the latest incident of continual Muslim-Christian tension in the area.

“This has happened twice in the last three months in the same city,” he said. “It has manifested itself to tougher actions and more attacks and the giving of life away like this, people are killing each others on the streets as well as the churches. It is alarming that is why we deciding now to take action through this protest.”

Several more demonstration will be held on behalf of Egyptian Coptics including one in New York on Monday and a rally hosted by the Canadian Coptic Association on Apr. 29.

Ehab Samoul, 29, a protestor at the demonstration on Wednesday said, “We are here just to let the White House and government know what is going on in Egypt. We want the American government to stop the religious discrimination and I hope that they listen to our voice.”

“We are here just to let the White House and government know what is going on in Egypt,” added Samoul. “We want the American government to stop the religious discrimination and I hope that they listen to our voice.”

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Dhimmi is the Jews and Christians who do not believe in Mohammed {prophet in Islam} and deny him. This is because Allah has declared that Jews and Christians are infidels in Koran {holy book in Islam} - Al-Taubah 9: 30 -31
Over the past fourteen Hundred years Coptic Christians in Egypt endured all forms of discrimination exerted by Muslim extremists. Since the Arab invasion to Egypt in 650 AD, Copts have been always terrorized by Islamists fundamentals. Copts have compelled by Muslim leaders to relinquish their native Coptic language and adopt the Arabic one. They have been called by Al Azhar (the most prominent Islamic institution In Egypt) as infidels and rouges elements because of religion. They also have been subjected to all kind of hate crimes including, the abduction of young Coptic girls, the killing of Coptic Women and children and the destruction of their places of worship.
Over the past forty years, the government of Egypt has endorsed and fostered an environment of Islamic radicalism to recruit more Muslim fundamentals. This phenomenon played a key role to force Islam on Coptic girls and enhance the isolation of the Coptic community in Egypt. As a result of citing in the constitution that Islam is the main source of legislation in Egypt, Coptic Christians has lost the freedom of religion including the right to build churches and the right to worship in a free respect.

During the 80s and under the Mubarak administration, Islamic militants instigated several violent episodes against the Copts and western tourists, attacked, sacked and burned churches and Coptic businesses.
During the recent package of constitutional reform that took place in 2007 Mubarak did not insert any constitutional provisions that enhance the rights of Christians in Egypt. On the contrary, he kept the provision that emphasizing the role of Islam as the main source of legislation.
Verses from Qura’an which applies to Copts in Egypt as Dhimmi:
1) “Fight against those from among the people who do not believe in Allah nor the last day
Until they pay the tribute out of hand, utterly subdued” (Chapter 9, Verse 29).
On Al-Ahram weekly newspaper, 3-9 April 1997 editions, a Muslim Brotherhood group leader (Al-morshed) replied to a question if the Coptic Christians should pay jizya, or a tax, saying: “Yes, this is a part of Shari’ a”. And he conceded that: “When we have an Islamic state, the army will be the cornerstone of its defense. The soldiers in this army should belong to the same faith, so they will be sure to take the right stand against anyone trying to attack this Islam state. If we have non-Muslims in the army, and a Christian country attacks us, then Christian members of the armed forces could change their allegiance and become agents for the enemy.”
The Muslim Brotherhood group has 88 members in the Egyptian parliament.
Another Muslim brotherhood group leader (al-morshed), Ma’moun El-hedeiby, told the journalist Sameh Fawzy: “The Copts are Dhimmi”. (watani newspaper 1996).
The 1st morshed of the Muslim Brotherhood group, Hassan El-Bana, wrote in his book (El-Tab’a El-Shar’ia) on pages 280 and 394 that the Dhimmis have to be killed and Allah will double the wage for whoever fights them.
2) “Strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of God and your enemies” (Chapter 8, Verse 60).
In the Qura’an, Allah orders Muslims to terrorize non – Muslims {jihad} also in the hadith {Mohammed’s sayings} Mohammed urges Muslims to practice jihad. {Al – Bukhari vol. 4: 196}. Jihad is the struggle to spread Islam by force. According to this verse and to the hadith, Muslims attacked a Coptic church in Egypt on March 2002 during the Sunday prayers, injured more than 30 people and burned the church and 15 homes.
Also, on January 2006, Luxor police General motivated Muslims who live in Udayasaat, Luxor to kill one man and 13 years old boy and after they set fire to the local Coptic Church they destroyed and stole Coptic properties.
And in the same year, on April 2006, in Alexandria, Egypt, three Coptic churches came under attack from knife-wielding assailants during mass Friday, an innocent man was killed and tens were injured.
And last month, on April 2007, Muslims attacked the Coptic cathedral in der-mouas, Minya, four Christians were injured and the cathedral were damaged and the police refused to interfere and secure the Christian civilians.
3) “Ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is one of them” (Chapter 5, Verse 56).
A Christian can not testify in the courts against a Muslim. No Christians is in a government leadership position except two cabinet members. There is only one Christian appointed a province governor position among thirty province governors. There are no Christians appointed as police commissioner, city manager or any of their commissioner. There is no Christian who is manager of state-controlled company or a university president or dean. Only two Christians serve as ambassadors. There are no Copts in the top 160 government positions and they are told that there is no promotion before converting into Islam.
4) “Fight and slay the pagans (Jews and Christians) wherever you find them” (Chapter 9, Verse 5).
Enclosed are some of the incidents that demonstrate the violence endured by Copts over the past 25 years:
• July 1980: St. Mary church in Cairo has been burned by Islamic Militant
• June, 1981: 80 Coptic Christian were slaughtered in there houses, in the vicinity of El zauia El hamra, Cairo, Egypt
• July, 1981 St. Mary Church was bombed by Muslim radicals, in the vicinity of Shoubra, Cairo, Egypt. Seven people were killed in the attack.
• March 1990: Rumors that Copts are using Muslim girls in a white slave trade prompts two weeks of violence in Abu Quraqa (250 kms s. of Cairo). Churches, shops, houses and cars are firebombed and two Christians are kidnapped but there are no deaths or injuries. (Note: There are constant complaints of harassment by Islamic militants during this period. This harassment includes, as noted earlier, the spreading of false rumors, extortion and violence up to and including murder, often with the tacit approval or even participation of local officials. Such incidents, short of murder, will not be noted here unless they deserve special attention.)
• May 1990: Father Bishoy Hanna was killed by Muslim extremists along with his wife and five more people at his church in the province of Alexandria, Egypt.
• June 1990: A Christian liquor store owner is attacked by Islamic militants with swords and chains.
• 1990: In Minshiat at Nassar (310 km s. of Cairo) workers repairing a Church are attacked by Islamic Militants.
• September 20-22 1991: Militant Muslims commit a wave of violence against Christian churches and shops in Imbabah, a suburb of Cairo. Police refuse to take reports of many incidents and discourage future reports. Some Copts who attempt to make reports are arrested. Also, after being harassed by a Muslim customer, a Christian butcher shoots and wounds him.
• March 11 1992: 3 people are killed and more injured in a gun battle between Christians and Muslims in the village of Sanbau (350 kms. of Cairo).
• April 29 1992: A church is stoned in Imbabah.
• May 4 1992: 11 Copts and two Muslims attempting to defend them are killed by gunmen, believed to be Islamic militants, in Sanabu. The authorities dismiss this as being part of a local “blood feud.”
• October 27 1992: Four gunmen, believed to be Islamic militants, kill a Christian jeweler and his assistant.
• November 1 1992: Gunmen, believed to be Islamic militants, wound 10 Copts in an attack on a bus returning to Dayrut (310 kms of Cairo) from Cairo.
• December 20 1992: A Coptic weekly, Al-Watan, urges the government to stop what is called a new invasion of the schools by Islamic extremists. Headmasters are discriminating against Copts and forcing female students to wear veils. “Fanatic teachers” are also discriminating against their Coptic students. The Article notes that the government is opposed to this but is not doing enough to stop it.

• January 4 1993: In two separate assaults, gunmen, believed to be Islamic militants, kill one Copt and wound another.
A Coptic church in Dayrut is firebombed.
February 23 1993: In a Reuters article, Copts complain of discrimination including: job discrimination; discrimination by government both in the awarding of scholarships and upper government jobs; an informal Muslim boycott of Copt stores; discrimination and segregation by teachers and school officials; and the removal of all reference to Copts and Christianity from many school curriculums. This has resulted in the emigration of as much as a half million in the past ten years. Although the government protects the Copts from physical threats, the Copts complain that most government action is due to the threats to the state and foreign tourists rather than any concern for the Copts.
March 1993: A report issued by the Egyptian Organization for Human Rights accuses the government of abdicating its responsibility to protect Christians from Islamic extremists. It notes that attacks occur in the sight and sometimes with the help of security and local government authorities. It further accuses the government of doing little about such incidents until it became clear that they were also a threat to “the political system and the lives of those in power.”
March 1 1993: Egypt bans from mosques “scholars preach militant thoughts” due to attacks upon tourists and Christians. (Note: the government has been engaging in increasing levels of repression against Islamic militants throughout this period. This ranges from arrests to gun battles involving hundreds of police, government troops and Islamic militants. For the most part, the details of these actions are not documented here. Also, as noted earlier, many believe that this government action is due to the threat the militants pose to the state and foreign tourists rather than any wish to protect the Copts.)
April 20 1993: A Copt school teacher is shot and wounded in Dayrut by gunmen, believed to be Islamic militants. Five Islamic militants are arrested in Aswan for planning to violently disrupt a non-Muslim festival which coincides with the Coptic Easter.
April 24 1993: Assailants, believed to be Islamic militants, attack with knives and wound two Coptic high school students.
May 19 1993: In a roundup of Islamic militants, the government seizes numerous books, cassettes and videotapes calling for violence and discrimination against the Copts.
July 22 1993: A Copt physician is shot by gunmen, believed to be Islamic militants, in Manfalout (350 km south of Cairo).
August 8 1993: Gunmen, believed to be Islamic militants, in Dayrut wound a Copt in his brother’s pharmacy.
August 24 1993: Gunmen, believed to be Islamic militants, kill a Christian student in Anboub (300 kms of Cairo).
September 21 1993: Gunmen, believed to be Islamic militants, kill a Copt schoolteacher in Dayrut.
October 20 1993: Gunmen, believed to be Islamic militants, open fire in a Christian owned pharmacy killing one and injuring two.
January 27 1994: A senior Copt police official is wounded in an attack by gunmen believed to be Islamic militants. His driver and bodyguard are killed.
April 25 1994: Egyptians are upset at an upcoming convention on minorities in the Middle East. They say that the Copts are not a minority and are an integral part of Egyptian society. They attribute the conference to foreign interference.
March 4 1994: An Islamic militant, believed to be guilty of two shooting attacks on Coptic churches in Mir (300 kms of Cairo) in the previous week, is arrested.
March 11 1994: Gunmen, believed to be Islamic militants, kill 5 including two monks outside a church in Qussiyah (300 kms of Cairo).
June 26 1994: A Coptic weekly accuses the government of working to increase the wave of bigotry, antipathy and hatred against Copts.
July 17 1994: Pope Shenouda III of the Egyptian Coptic Church in an outspoken interview complains of discrimination against Copts in Egypt. He says that Copts play little part in public life and face problems building and repairing churches. He complains that Copts have trouble obtaining voting cards from police, thus preventing many of them from voting. He also refers to Copts being killed by Islamic militants in southern Egypt and Copt houses being destroyed without compensation from the state.
September 1 1994: Islamic militants shoot dead 2 policemen guarding a Coptic church in southern Egypt. Note: In general the government actively opposes attacks by Islamic militants on Copts and prosecutes the perpetrators of these attacks to the full extent of the law. This is probably more a result the fact that the Islamic militants oppose the government than a desire to protect the Copts.

November 11 1994: Islamic militants kill 2 men in southern Egypt including a Christian government official.
November 22 1994: Suspected Islamic militants kill a Christian security guard in the southern Egyptian province of Minya.
February 25 1995: Suspected Islamic militants shoot dead a Christian civilian and wound another in a southern Egyptian village.
March 11 1995: Suspected Islamic militants shoot dead a Copt village elder in southern Egypt.
June 4 1995: Islamic militants seeking to avenge a dead relative kill 9 people, including 3 Copts, in 4 separate attacks in southern Egypt.
June 8 1995: Suspected Islamic militants shoot dead a wealthy Copt pharmacist for making a donation of property to his local parish.
August 13 1995: 6 are killed after a fight breaks out over a Copt girl who converted to Islam in a northern Egyptian province.
August 29-30 1995: In 2 separate incidents, suspected Islamic militants shoot dead 4 Copts in southern Egypt.
September 2 1995: Suspected Islamic militants shoot dead a Copt who works for a local council in southern Egypt.
Update 26 March 1997
7 November 1995: According to the Egyptian Organization for Human Rights, within the past 10 months, Islamic extremists have assassinated 74 police and 24 Copts in southern Egypt.

4 December 1995: Gunmen in a car shot dead three Coptic Christian men and wounded two others in a hit and run attack near the town of Abu Qurqas, In a separate attack in the same area and at the same time, gunmen shot and killed policeman Mustafa Khalil Mohamed.
9 December 1995: Forty people were killed and between 400 -700 injured during Egypt=s general elections. Thousands of Christians could not find their names on the lists and constituencies where Copts ran as candidates, their rivals distributed leaflets saying Moslems should not vote for non-Moslems.
12 December 1995: President Mubarak appointed 10 MPs and the Speaker using his constitutional privilege to enlarge the assembly with women and members of the Coptic community.
12 January 1996: A Christian farmer was killed by unidentified gunmen in the village of Abu Obeid in Minya Province.
26 February 1996: Eight Copts and three others were killed in Assuit Province in Southern Egypt. At least 47 people have died in the past two moths in Assuit and Menia Provinces. Most of these were policemen and suspected police informers (non-Copts).
In a separate incident, mobs set fire to 41 houses in a predominantly-Christian village in the governorate of Sharqiya after a row over a reported Church expansion. Four were injured and 50 arrested in the incident.
7 August 1996: The body of a Coptic student was found in the vicinity of Abu Qurqas.
26 August 1996: Four, including three Copts, were killed in the southern village of Nazlet Roman near the town of Abu Qurqas in Minya province. One Copt was also wounded in the attack. The five were members of the newly-formed patrols encouraged by the government to help police hunt militants using nearby fields and mountains as hideouts. A total of 23 people, not all of them Copts, have been killed in attacks during August.
4 September 1996: The American Coptic Union urged the U.S. Congress to investigate the killings of Christians in Egypt and to postpone aid to Egypt until basic rights and security were secured for all citizens.
24 January 1997: A new political party, al Wasat, was launched. Its members are Copts and former members of the Muslim Brotherhood and its goal is to heal the breaches between the two religions. It is not viewed as strong or very likely to have much influence over Egyptian politics.
February 1997: The State Department=s Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 1996 reported that during 1996 at least 22 Copts were killed in upper Egypt where 30-40% of the population are Christians. There were also reports of acts of violence against Coptic Churches and Copt-owned businesses.
Government discriminatory practices against the Coptic community included: suspected statistical under representation of the size of the Christian population; anti-Christian discrimination in education; production of some Islamic television programs with anti-Christian themes; job discrimination in the police, armed forces and other agencies.
12 February 1997: Ten Coptic youth were killed in an attack on a Church in southern Egypt. The youth were attending a prayer service at the Church. Police believed the killings were orchestrated by the group Gama’a al-Islamiya, the largest of the militant Islamic organizations in the country. The Gama’a has attacked the Coptic community only sporadically, concentrating attacks on police and police informers regardless of religion, and they denied involvement in this attack.
Moslem and Christian community leaders have unanimously condemned the attacks. It was the worst attack on the Coptic community in almost a year.
Police also suspect the same gunmen in an attack which killed three Coptic Christians. They were found dead near Abu Qurqas in Minya Province.
15 March 1997: Gunmen killed 13, including nine Copts, in a predominantly Christian hamlet 300 miles south of Cairo. Though attacks on the Coptic community have increased in recent months, the overall level of violence has sharply decreased from a peak of 415 deaths in 1995 to 187 during 1996, and Islamic militants are clearly on the defensive.
Update June 1999
March 22 1997: A total of 21 Copts were killed by Islamic extremists in February and there was a growing fear that there could be a migration of Copts from Southern Egypt because of the growing fear of attack. (AP)
April 10 1997: Copts were killed in two attacks. A total of 13 Copts were killed by Islamic militants who released a statement clarifying that the Copts had not been targeted specifically. (Facts on File)
May 3 1997: The Interior Minister said that one of the faults of the Moslem brotherhood was that they want to segregate the Copts. (BBC)
October 14 1997: Two Copts and nine police were killed by militants in the South. (NewYork Times)
November 1998: four Policemen tortured seventy Copts because of their religious affiliation, El Kosheh, Shouag Egypt.
December 2000: 20 Copts burned to death by Muslims in El Kosheh, Shouag Egypt.
January 2004: The Patmos Christian center was attacked by the Egyptian army for the ninth time and one of the employees was killed.
December 2004: Muslims attacked a private car of village priest and brought it to a total loss, destroyed and looted the goods of two pharmacies, burned down and tried to burn several Coptic houses; police turned a blind eye as usual.
January 2006: Muslim Youth Attack Copts in a Village near Luxor, Egypt.
April 2006: Muslim extremists stormed four churches in Alexandria and kill one person.
March 2007: Egyptian government destroyed the Copts’ tombs because crosses were put on top of these tombs.
5) “If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him, and in the hereafter he will be in the ranks who have lost” (Chapter 3, Verse 85).
On April 25th, 2007, an Egyptian court has ruled that the ministry of the interior is not obliged to issue new identity documents for ten Egyptian Coptic Christians, who after having converted to Islam decided to return to their original faith, and they will remain Muslims at least on paper for the rest of their lives. The question of religious belief in Egypt often presents itself as an administrative rather than a spiritual issue given that every Egyptian has an ID card which states his or her religion. The law based on the Koran in fact forbids the faithful from passing from one religious creed to another and anyone who pronounces the “Shahada” or declaration of faith will be considered a Muslim forever.
6) “The Jews call Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths; they but imitate what the infidels of old used to say. Allah’s curse is on them: how they are deluded away from the truth”. (Chapter 9, Verse 30).
And according to this verse, a presidential permit is required to build a new church. And the Muslim Brotherhood group has a fatwa saying: “It’s prohibited to build any new churches at all”. Source: Al-Da’wa Magazine, the 56th edition, December 1980.
The governor of El-Qalyobia governorate, Adly Hussien, ordered to destroy St. Paul church. 2004
MORRIS SADEK, Esq.   
Egyptian Attorney
Special Legal Consultant DC Bar
National American Coptic Assembly, President

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11 Responses to “Islam destroy Egypt by koran”

1. Egyptian1 Says:
   October 5, 2007 at 1:57 pm

   Yo,

   What are you smoking? I actually live in Egypt and I’m Muslim and would gladly trade the rights given to me by the government for the rights of any Egyptian Christian any day. Here’s a short reply to some of your points (all of which are based on a few false premises)

   * “As a result of citing in the constitution that Islam is the main source of legislation in Egypt, Coptic Christians has lost the freedom of religion including the right to build churches and the right to worship in a free respect.”
   o Although Islam is cited, very little of the Sharia is actually implemented.
   o Churches are on the rise, not like you claim. For example, Christians requested in Al-Rehaab complained that there was no Church and if you go there now, you’ll find a huge Church being built right next to the entrance.
   o There’s a Church about half a mile down the road and it’s very active.
   o Almost all mosques are open only for prayers and are closed immediately afterwards. On the other, Churches are open 24×7
   * The Muslim Brotherhood group is hated by the government.
   o A simple search on Google for the keywords: mulsim brotherhood trial egypt will give you a lot of hits on what’s currently happening
   o Here’s an example: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/545D7E8C-C6DC-4127-B731-C12650A50AE7.htm
   o So how can anything that you say about the government helping the Muslim brotherhood be taken seriously?
   * All the Quranic verses
   o All of the Quranic verses that you rely on are taken out of context. Here’s one example: You said:
   + “Fight and slay the pagans (Jews and Christians) wherever you find them” (Chapter 9, Verse 5).
   # This verse as well as others is grossly taken out of context. Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_military_jurisprudence#_note-24 to understand the context Here’s an even more thorough response: http://eteraz.wordpress.com/2006/07/21/the-slayer-verse-95/

   The above should suffice to show that little actual research was used in the article. It would be much more fruitful to engage in a meaningful discussion than to simply make accusatory remarks that are based on personal interpretations. This is not to say that the Egyptian government hasn’t persecuted some Christians. But, what you fail to mention is that it has persecuted 100x as many Muslims. Visit any prison / detention count and count the number of Muslims being held without trial to the number of Christians. I’m sure you’ll find it much less than 8:100 (the Christian population is about 8% of Egypt’s population)

2. Steiner Says:
   October 5, 2007 at 5:10 pm

   To Egyptian1,

   You would gladly trade…? will the egyptian government allow you to expressly change your religious identity from muslim to christian? If no, do you think it to be fair and why?

   If the answere is NO, then the implications here are that those muslims that convert to christianity are not recognised as converts by the state; yet those christians that convert to Islam are recognized. How would this helps things on handing out church permits?

   Consequently, state official figures on population percentages for Christians will conveniently reflect a low score. How will this help out in giving out church permits?

   Hence, person like you comes on the scene and informs us foreigners that there are very few christians…8%..when in fact it may be up to 20% or more, for all we know.

   Same thing with those in jail. If a muslim converts to Christianity, he is put in jail as a muslim (for converting to Christianity). The state conveniently reports it as a muslim who is in jail…when in fact it is a manner of persecuting Christians.

   Now regarding those permits…do Christians go through the same process to do repairs or obtain a permit to build a church, in the same way muslims do, to repair or build a mosque?…

   Regarding the Muslim Brotherhood…would they give Christians more freedoms?…or are they closer to Osama in their ideology…do they wish to impose sharia law ?

   Regarding the Muslim Brotherhood…what do they think of the Bahai faith? would they continue to persecute these muslims, as the government does now?

   Actually, what do you think of the Bahai faith? in your opinion are they muslim? and what sort of muslim are you?

3. joe Says:
   October 5, 2007 at 5:51 pm

   Egyptian - next you’ll be telling us Islam is the religion of peace.

4. Magnus Nielsen Says:
   October 5, 2007 at 8:29 pm

   In answer to Egyptian, and all Muslim apologists, I can recommend Ibn Ishaq’s ‘Life of the Prophet Muhammad’ as general background and context to the Quran. You can get a good modern translation edited by Michael Edwardes and published by the Folio Society. It is available on Amazon and costs about £10.

   Ibn Ishaq wrote about 750AD, therefore this is the earliest (and the best) account of Muhammad’s life and deeds. It describes how Allah gave Muhammad ‘permission to plunder’and his various massacres of Jews and others.

   It is an excellent and informative read.

5. Steve (Brussels) Says:
   October 5, 2007 at 11:25 pm

   Egyptian 1

   I do not know of any religion that has been slaughtering so many “unbelievers” as the islamists have done over the years and are still doing today.

   Islam apostates constantly warn us that the west is overly tolerant for the murderous dictatorship that islam is. And those people all risk their live for daring to open their mouth.

   Wherever there are muslims there is guaranteed trouble, hate, intolerance, violence and murder.

   Claiming that your religion is a religion of peace is the greatest fallacy that humanity had to endure for over 1400 years.

   The muslim way of thinking and acting is clear: Convert or kill because those people who keep denying that Islam is a religion of peace need to be slaughtered. Is that the way you people will get into Allah’s paradise ? What a disgusting ideology !

6. ares Says:
   October 6, 2007 at 12:01 am

   Don’t destroy Europe. Listen to the copts, they have the experience with islam. I talked with a guy who used to live in arabic countries. I told him about the cartoon crisis. He laughed and said: “Mohammed crisis existed since the prophet pretender started his “career”. Christians and jews have been killed ever since.”

7. Andrew (USA) Says:
   October 6, 2007 at 2:42 am

   To Egyptian1,

   Mr. Morris Sadek’s article list ONLY 6 Quranic verses about killing. Only 1 of which you try to defend by claming the same old “out of context” excuse. I went to the link you provided and there is NO context for that passage, its not even mentioned.

   Other than the fact that Muslims haven’t killed every non-Muslim under their domain, there is very little else that you can point to as proof that Islam is a peaceful, tolerant religion.

   Whos smoking what? See if you can put down your hash pipe long enough to put these passages into a “peaceful” context for us. And when your finished explaining these. I’ll send you more……

   Tabari IX:69 “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”

   Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”

   Tabari VIII:141 “The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: ‘Kill! Kill! Kill!’”

   Qur’an 9:71 “O Prophet, strive hard [fighting] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be harsh with them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed.”

   Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their woman and children taken captive.”

   Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”

   Qur’an:8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

   Ishaq:489 “Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing.”

   Qur’an 2:191 “And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter.”

   Qur’an:8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”

   Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

   Ishaq:326 “If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies.”

   Qur’an:8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.”

   Ishaq:588 “When the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves.”

   Ishaq:326 “Allah said, ‘No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.’ Muhammad said, ‘I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.’”

   Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.’”

   Ishaq:510 “When the Apostle looked down on Khaybar he told his Companions, ‘O Allah, Lord of the Devils and what into terror they throw, and Lord of the winds and what they winnow, we ask Thee for the booty of this town and its people. Forward in the name of Allah.’ He used to say this of every town he raided.”

   Qur’an:33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”

   Qur’an 60:4 “We reject you. Hostility and hate have come between us forever, unless you believe in Allah only.’”

   Qur’an 48:13 “If any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared a Blazing Fire for them!”

   Qur’an 48:28 “It is He Who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth (Islam), that he may make it superior to every other religion, exalting it over them. Allah is a sufficient Witness. Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah. Those who are with him are severe with Infidel unbelievers.”

   Qur’an 9:30 “The Jews call Uzair (Ezra) the son of Allah, and the Christians say that the Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying from their mouths; they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s (Himself) fights against them, cursing them, damning and destroying them. How perverse are they!”

   Qur’an:33:22 “The Believers said: ‘This is what Allah and his Messenger promised us.’ It added to their faith, obedience, and submission. Among the Believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and have gone out for Jihad (holy fighting). Some have completed their vow to extreme (and have been martyred) fighting and dying in His Cause, and some are waiting, prepared for death in battle.”

8. jihadisanillness Says:
   October 6, 2007 at 4:35 pm

   Egyptian 1 is clearly smoking too much of the denial drug. The whole sane world is now fully clocked on to the muslim ‘methods’. He’ll probably even claim that http://www.religionofpeace.com is an infidel conspiracy.

   Steve (Brussels) describes you and your murderous soldiers of allah quite succinctly.

   The muslim way of thinking and acting is clear: Convert or kill because those people who keep denying that Islam is a religion of peace need to be slaughtered. Is that the way you people will get into Allah’s paradise? What a disgusting ideology!

9. Egypt » Blog Archives » Islam destroy Egypt by koran Says:
   October 7, 2007 at 2:57 pm

   [...] Islam destroy Egypt by koranOver the past fourteen Hundred years Coptic Christians in Egypt endured all forms of discrimination exerted by Muslim extremists. Since the Arab invasion to Egypt in 650 AD, Copts have been always terrorized by Islamists fundamentals. … [...]

10. Egypt » Blog Archives » Egypt: Drug Epidemic? Says:
    October 8, 2007 at 11:06 pm

    [...] Islam destroy Egypt by koranOver the past fourteen Hundred years Coptic Christians in Egypt endured all forms of discrimination exerted by Muslim extremists. Since the Arab invasion to Egypt in 650 AD, Copts have been always terrorized by Islamists fundamentals. … [...]

11. Herman Van Keer Says:
    October 10, 2007 at 5:04 am

    One of the latest massacres happened in Lebanon, where chistians were literally butchered by muslim troops in the so called civil war. It was rather (and again) a war of muslims  against non-believers.

    The ‘free’ press in Europe ‘forgot’ to report the killings of palestinians, but were very quick when christians finally fought back and/or the Israel army invaded some of these ‘poor palestinian camps’.

    Here is a good link to start:
    http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_Introduction.Islam

On 17 May, 2007, while glancing at the website of the online daily, Elaph, I noticed a very intriguing title of an article on the plight of the Christian community in Egypt: “Why Do the Copts of Egypt Fear Fridays?” The writer, himself an Egyptian now living in France, gave a realistic explanation that should stir our thoughts, and make us fully aware of the suffering of this brave minority. I share with the readers of FFI excerpts from the article, and follow with my analysis and comments.

“Islamists have taken upon themselves the responsibility to stoke the fires of religious discord and civil strife whenever they had been extinguished. The result is that Egypt becomes the victim, and both Muslims and Christians end up being the losers. It is quite evident that Islamists don’t want the attacks against the Copts to stop.

“The last attack on the Copts took place on Friday, 11 April, 2007, in the village of Behma, of the El-‘Ayat Township, in El-Giza Province. Rumors had spread that Christians were about to make an addition to their church building. Five hundred Islamists gathered, and attacked Christians in their homes and places of business. They shouted Allahu Akbar, as they embarked on their new ghazwa (conquest), resulting in the torching of 27 homes and places of business. They proceeded to loot the contents of the shops, taking all they could find of precious metals and jewelry. After all, why not engage in the plunder, having been assured by the Islamists’ fatwas that the Christians’ possessions were legitimate war booty?! Thankfully, they stopped at that point, and did not take Christian women captives as a prize of their ugly ghazwa; however, many Christians in that village were injured.

Why Afraid of Fridays?

“When I was in Zurich, Switzerland, attending the “Conference on the Plight of Women and Minorities in the Middle East and North Africa,”* an Egyptian Coptic correspondent told me, ‘We Copts, worry about our own safety and possessions on Fridays, can you tell me why?’ I answered her, ‘Certainly, you must know that the Islamist virus has been spreading in Egypt, in our media, in our educational institutions, and in the Friday sermons at the mosques. Islamists have altered the very nature of the Friday sermons, changing them from messages on religious and moral issues that are meant to ennoble human beings by elevating their souls toward their Creator, and enabling them to become tolerant in their relations with their fellow human beings. On the contrary, the Friday sermons have become lessons in hatred and envy of the ‘Other’ declaring him to be a Kafir, and calling for war against the ‘children of apes and pigs,’ i.e. Christians and Jews. Thus when a Muslim leaves the mosque he has become like a time-bomb, ready to explode on any Christian he encounters on his way. This is why the Friday sermon has become a very dangerous matter.

“I don’t know why we have never seen a Christian, who leaves his church on Sundays, goes ahead and sets fire to a Muslim house, or assaults a Muslim and kills him! I cannot understand why anyone who kills a Copt and burns his possessions nowadays is regarded as mentally ill! Actually, Islamists have succeeded in employing religion for their political goals. In my discussion with a historian of contemporary Egyptian history, he told me, ‘The Muslim Brothers (al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun) regard Copts as an easy prey; so whenever the government arrests one of their members, they attack a church, or the Christian population. These acts come to the attention of the world public opinion, causing the Egyptian government to stop persecuting the Ikhwan. In other words, Islamists use the Copts as a means to get their members released from prison!’

“Whenever attacks on Christians take place, the Egyptian police seem to be absent! And when they finally appear at the scene, it is too late. By then the Islamists would have attacked Christians, beaten them, and robbed them of their goods. I remember when I was in Muharram Beik, Alexandria, a Muslim told me, not realizing that I was a writer, that a policeman who guarded a church building told the attackers, ‘go ahead and attack the church, but only from its back door; then, I won’t interfere with your act!’

“The Islamist International**, under the leadership of Yousef al-Qaradawi, Rashed
Al-Ghanoushi, and Fahmi Houweidi, issued fatwas allowing for the murder of women, children, and the unborn, in Israel. But they have been silent about the killing of civilian Muslims in Morocco and Algeria, and equally silent about attacks on our Coptic brothers. These attacks receive the silent assent of the Islamist fuqaha who approve the killing of innocent Muslims and peaceful Christians, as long as the murderers are Islamists like themselves!


Analysis

The writer of the article draws the attention of the wide readership of Elaph to this unbelievable state of affairs in Egypt, where Copts fear the advent of every Friday. This sixth day of the week has become the occasion for attacks on their persons, homes and property; almost immediately after the worshippers leave the mosques!

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